The JanetVanProtest: A Dialog

(The Wasp by DeviantArt user Ronron84)

So recently it was revealed that Janet Van Dyne was not going to appear in Marvel’s Ant-Man movie. The film’s Hank Pym, Micheal Douglas, recently told Entertainment Weekly this:

I’m an entomologist.I’m also a physicist and I discovered in 1963, a way, a serum to reduce a human being to the size of ant maintaining the strength. But unfortunately during this process, a tragic personal accident happened with my wife.

Well, as usual in these cases, the internet went insane.

Literally bat-shit crazy. These people haven’t seen the movie, the script, or know anything more about the production than what has been posted in interviews like this.

And yet there is now a #JanetVanCrime campaign going on to decry this horrible, horrible treatment of a fictional character, some recent posts from which can be seen on the right.



Of course, there is more to this than we know right now, but some folks have jumped the gun, thinking that leaving Janet out of the movie is disrespectful of the original character, that killing her off before the film even starts is somehow indicative of Marvel’s attitude towards women, that…well just look at the hashtag to see what they are saying.

Now when we here at the WoTN offices got word of this, it set off a discussion, that we thought stood by itself. Enjoy.


“Just because she isn’t in a film as a 60 year old woman doesnt mean that eliminates her from any appearances in other movies. People need to relax.

It’s clear that  the complaints have a feminist agenda when its not really necessary.”


If by “feminist agenda” you mean a desire for greater female representation in one of the biggest film franchises, then yes, that’s exactly it. Janet was a founding member and a major player on The Avengers and she’s essentially been put in the refrigerator to make Hank’s story more tragic.

Correct me if I’m wrong, Marvel readers, because I’m not as well versed in Avengers continuity but Hank was a pacifist while Janet took on the more active role of blasting thing and going all “pew pew”! Why wasn’t that the movie they went with? Pacifist scientist creates game changing tech that the military acquires and then he and his girlfriend/wife have to get it back.


Her 60 year old self does not appear in the movie. Its not like they shot Wasp in the face during a battle.

In the new Ant-Man adaptation she would have been in her 50s or 60s, and mother to Evangeline Lilly’s character Hope Van Dyne. 

Overreaction for the sake of overreaction. They’re not in their 20’s running around blowing shit up.


 I think “feminist agenda” is going too far. It IS a shame that there won’t at least be a flashback showing her. As far as her status as a founding member of The Avengers, she had already been replaced in the cinematic universe by the Black Widow, so i’m not sure why this wasn’t a bigger issue back then, when she was removed from Joss’s original script.

And this is JUST speculation, but we DO have an entire Marvel TV series set in the past, so seeing the original Wasp in the future past isn’t too far off.

IF she was in the film, and the topic of spousal abuse DIDN’T come up, on film, there would be a whole other sort of backlash, one a lot more dangerous for the franchise than not including her in the first place.

And of course, Janet HAS appeared to have died before, only to return, so there is a chance that the “mysterious” Hope Van Dyne (who has STILL to see a script, two weeks before filming) is actually her, laying low.


I don’t think there’s much of a chance that Hope will actually be Janet. That would probably piss off the fan base more. Plus Scott Lang’s gonna need a love interest and who better than Pym’s daughter.”


Well 1: I don’t think he does, you can have a perfectly good story without a love interest, Especially in a heist movie, most of those love interests seem just tacked on to have them (see the remakes of Ocean’s 11 and The Italian Job.)

And 2: even if that were the case, what would be better than the reveal that it WAS Janet, and she is already aware of what Lang could do?


“I agree you don’t need a love story in a heist movie, but that’s the way the studios think. Plus, they still assume the only way women will see superhero movies is if there’s a woman somewhere in the lead cast, whether she fits into the story or not.


<sarcasm>”That is a fair point. After all, most women I know went to see Iron Man 2 and The Avengers due to ScarJo’s involvement” </sarcasm>

Do you have anything you’d like to add to the discussion? Just comment right down there  and we will be happy to chat with you!

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Mark Driscoll

When not ranting about the current state of his favorite comics or working on The Magic Cantina, Mark spends a majority of his time renovating his newly purchased, 120 year old Victorian house. Badly. He is very bad at talking about himself in the third person, as he thinks it make him sound pretentious.

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